In late-July 2024, a video resurfaced of Tucker Carlson’s 2021 interview with then-Senate candidate JD Vance by which he complained, “We’re successfully run on this nation…by a bunch of childless cat women who’re depressing at their very own lives and the alternatives that they’ve made and they also wish to make the remainder of the nation depressing too.” On condition that Vance had simply been chosen as Donald Trump’s working mate, the outcry was swift. Democrats instantly turned “childless cat girl” right into a badge of honor, full with T-shirts, hats, and signage, drawing comparisons to Clinton’s “basket of deplorables” remark that mobilized the MAGA base in 2016.
However many might have been too distracted by the misogynistic accusation that childless ladies are depressing to grasp the actual level of Vance’s feedback, and simply as importantly, who would discover them most compelling. Within the 2021 video, Vance went on to elucidate that the Democratic management (citing Harris, Buttigieg, Ocasio-Cortez) had by no means had organic youngsters, and due to this fact, “How does it make any sense that we’ve turned our nation over to individuals who don’t actually have a direct stake in it?” Vance’s actual level wasn’t that childless ladies are bitter, however that having youngsters makes you extra invested within the nation, and thus, extra politically deserving. This was made clear in one other resurfaced video of Vance proposing that oldsters ought to have extra votes as a result of their dedication to the nation’s future is bigger.
These feedback suggest a connection between childbearing and nationalism. Those that produce youngsters are really dedicated to the nation, and thus, nationwide energy and privilege rightfully belong to them. Autocratic leaders all over the world like Vladimir Putin and Victor Orban have made related claims, promising giant monetary rewards for households who make extra native-born Russians and Hungarians.
To make sure, Vance’s group-centered pronatalism has not too long ago drawn applause from the rising variety of secular, mega-wealthy pronatalists like Elon Musk, Marc Andreesen, and different tech bros who’ve insisted that we should reverse declining start charges to avoid wasting civilization. However this concept of getting infants on your nation, your tribe, your folks has appealed to the Christian Proper for many years. And in reality, Individuals who reveal a dedication to the Christian Proper’s underlying ideology—Christian nationalism—are the most probably to endorse the nationalistic pronatalism promoted by JD Vance, Putin, and Orban. They’re additionally the most probably to endorse the racial pronatalism we see amongst White nationalists.
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After I say “Christian nationalism,” I imply an ideology that idealizes and advocates a fusion of American civic life with a really specific type of Christianity. That “specific sort” of Christianity is just not the sort by which penitent sinners ask Jesus into their hearts or believers search to emulate Jesus’ compassion for the sick and poor. That individual sort is ethno-cultural. Traditionally this was Anglo Protestant however now encompasses White conservative Protestants and Catholics (like JD Vance). You may consider Christian nationalism as an ideology that 1) idealizes a mythology by which White Christianity laid the foundations of our nationwide id and prosperity, and a couple of) advances a imaginative and prescient of American civic life that institutionalizes the supremacy of White Christianity, and in the end, White Christians. This ideology is older than the nation itself, however its depth ebbs and flows all through our historical past in response to numerous inside threats to the supremacy of White Christian tradition and other people.
Latest experimental proof reveals that concern of shedding the battle for non secular supremacy drives Christian nationalism for a lot of Individuals. Two latest groups of social scientists discovered that after they randomly instructed teams of Christians that their inhabitants was in decline and that they might change into the numerical minority in the US throughout the subsequent few years, Christians in each research responded with extra Christian nationalism, and in a single examine, extra Trump help. At its basis, Christian nationalism represents a circling of the cultural wagons. It’s most interesting to Individuals who really feel compelled to re-emphasize to themselves and others who made this nation nice (us), who’re its rightful rulers (us once more), and who threaten its prosperity and safety (them).
However the threats will not be merely non secular; they’re ethno-cultural and political. As Harvard psychologist Gordon Allport noticed again within the Nineteen Fifties, “faith…often stands for greater than religion.” The sects of Christianity, he argued, “have change into tied into subcultural and nationwide teams in order that non secular divisions march hand in hand with ethnic and nationwide divisions.” Christian dominion, in different phrases, is tied into ethno-cultural and political dominion, and threats to 1 are threats to the opposite.
Let me present you what I imply. In a 2022 survey fielded by the Public Faith Analysis Institute (PRRI), roughly 6,000 Individuals have been requested how a lot they agreed with the assertion, “Immigrants are invading our nation and changing our cultural and ethnic background,” which is a wonderful instance of what we name “alternative principle.” PRRI additionally requested Individuals a lot of questions on Christian nationalism.
Determine 1 reveals outcomes from a statistical mannequin that permits me to plot Individuals’ settlement with the assertion, “The US authorities ought to declare America a Christian nation,” by how a lot they agree with the alternative principle (controlling for different political, non secular, and demographic traits). Clearly, the extra Individuals consider their cultural and ethnic heritage are being changed by immigrants, the extra seemingly they’re to help Christian nationalism. That is seemingly for a similar causes the opposite experiments have proven, specifically, those that consider the nation is being stolen should double-down to reassert the nation’s correct id.
However how do Individuals who subscribe to Christian nationalism search to answer their looming alternative by a extra secular and ethnically numerous demographic?
One avenue has been expelling foreigners. A number of research have proven Christian nationalism to be powerfully associated to help for proscribing immigration, constructing border partitions, and instituting Muslim bans.
One other avenue has been voter suppression, which makes an attempt to neutralize the specter of minority or secular affect in politics by making it tougher for folks of shade and younger Individuals to vote. And Christian nationalism is a sturdy predictor that such Individuals help making voting tougher, disenfranchising felons for all times, and even mandating civics assessments to vote.
However one tactic that was previously regarded as a fringe strategy was outbreeding the enemy. To make sure, among the many most militantly evangelical Individuals, pronatalism has lengthy been a method for filling the world with troopers for the reason for Christian dominion. The Duggars from the hit TV present 19 Children and Counting have been a part of a broader patriarchal Christian motion relationship again to the Sixties. However the enchantment of group-centered pronatalism—having youngsters not simply since you discover it personally fulfilling, however as a result of it strategically advantages your faith (in addition to your race, your political motion, your nation) is changing into a extra frequent speaking level among the many Christian Proper and a few influential fellow-travelers. And because it seems, Christian nationalism is the engine driving this childbearing motive for a lot of.
In an earlier examine of over 1,000 Individuals, my co-authors and I demonstrated that Christian nationalism was among the many strongest predictors that Individuals broadly help nationwide pronatalism. The extra Individuals agreed with Christian nationalist statements, the extra seemingly they have been to affirm statements like “Our declining fertility charge ought to alarm us as a nation,” and “Married {couples} in our nation ought to have extra infants, not fewer.” In truth, the one ideological issue we discovered extra strongly related to nationwide pronatalism was a dedication to patriarchal gender roles. This makes excellent sense, as a result of a nation organized round increased start charges is a nation by which ladies could have extra infants earlier, requiring them to restrict their academic and profession aspirations, and in the end, their monetary autonomy aside from males. Not surprisingly, analysis reveals Christian nationalist ideology and patriarchal attitudes go hand in hand.
And there’s proof to recommend Christian nationalism shapes Individuals’ private views about fertility, not simply nationwide fertility within the summary. Utilizing a consultant pattern of roughly 1,500 Individuals from the 2021 Basic Social Survey, Determine 2 presents outcomes from a statistical mannequin by which I plot the variety of youngsters Individuals assume is right for a household to have by how a lot they subscribe to Christian nationalist views (just like the nation’s success is a part of God’s plan, the federal government ought to advocate Christian values, and society could be higher with extra non secular affect). Even after controlling for somebody’s non secular, political, and demographic traits, the extra Individuals subscribe to Christian nationalism, the larger their ultimate variety of youngsters. On the extremes, those that fully reject Christian nationalism reported round 2.2 as their common ultimate variety of youngsters, whereas those that strongly affirm Christian nationalism indicated almost 2.7 on common—roughly half a toddler larger. (If that doesn’t sound like quite a bit, take into account that fertility norms are sometimes handed down from technology to technology, and thus, modest fertility differentials rapidly result in enormous inhabitants variations attributable to exponential progress.)
However I wished to go a step additional than this and check how a lot Christian nationalism would possibly undergird particular group-oriented causes past the concept extra infants could be higher than fewer. So, in a March 2023 survey, psychologist Joshua Grubbs and I requested almost 1,500 Individuals, “Which of the next are good causes to have youngsters?” The explanations included: 1) Since you wish to assist reverse our nation’s declining fertility; 2) Since you wish to perpetuate your non secular heritage; 2) Since you wish to perpetuate your ethnic or racial heritage; and 4) Since you wish to safe affect for many who share your political beliefs. Respondents might reply from 1 = Very dangerous cause to five = Excellent cause. What we discovered is that Christian nationalist ideology is the strongest issue predicting help for all 4 causes to have children.
In Determine 3, I’ve plotted the relative influences of a number of key ideological variables I examined in predicting these varied causes to have youngsters. Christian nationalism is measured with six questions by which Individuals have been requested about their settlement with frequent Christian nationalist concepts: America has a particular place in God’s plan, the federal government ought to declare the U.S. a Christian nation, the Bible must be the inspiration of our authorized system, the founding paperwork have been divinely impressed, Christians have a duty to take dominion over nationwide establishments, and being a Christian is a vital side of being really American.
As you may see, adhering to Christian nationalist ideology is a extra vital predictor of help for every cause to have extra youngsters than whether or not Individuals already assume having youngsters is personally fulfilling, whether or not they’re “social traditionalists” (they oppose abortion and same-sex marriage), whether or not they’re personally non secular, whether or not they’re extra ideologically conservative, and whether or not they’re extra partisan Republicans.
One vital reality to remember is that in none of those research reveals a distinction by gender. Whether or not Individuals are males or ladies, Christian nationalism corresponds to nationwide pronatalism, increased private fertility beliefs, and supporting group-oriented causes to have extra youngsters. It’s additionally vital to keep in mind that the questions we use to measure Christian nationalism say nothing about youngsters or race. But, the extra Individuals affirm these summary Christian nationalist views, the extra they help the concept of perpetuating their very own racial heritage by means of childbearing, along with having infants to perpetuate their non secular heritage and safe political energy for his or her group.
What’s the connection?
In the end, Christian nationalist ideology displays an understanding that our nation has and may at all times belong to “Christians,” however what that actually comes right down to is “folks like us.” And as I defined earlier, the “folks like us” isn’t nearly faith, however politics and ethno-culture. So, the extra the nation is populated with “folks like us” the higher. That features native-born Individuals like us, Christians like us, members of our ethnic or racial group, and individuals who share our politics.
What this implies is when GOP politicians communicate the language of nationalist pronatalism—or any form of group-based pronatalism, for one’s faith, race, or political celebration—they’re talking the language of the Christian Proper. And this group-based pronatalist enchantment dovetails completely with different emphases within the up to date Republican platform that additionally strongly align with Christian nationalist priorities comparable to opposing abortion (extra American infants) and proscribing immigration (fewer overseas infants).
Is having extra youngsters a nasty factor? In fact not. Neither is having giant households. And there are, in truth, authentic financial and political causes to fret about declining start charges given their influence on the social welfare system, workforce, and authorities budgets. Furthermore, as sociologist Lyman Stone has identified, to the extent we see a rising discrepancy between what number of youngsters ladies need to have and what number of they find yourself having, we must always take into account what coverage adjustments would possibly enable extra ladies to succeed in their acknowledged fertility targets (e.g., paid maternity and paternity go away, subsidies for childcare and different parenting wants, tax credit, and so forth.)
But the underlying ideology driving a lot of the trendy pronatalist push on the precise is just not primarily the enjoyment of getting extra youngsters (see Determine 3 above). It’s infants as ammunition in a cultural, ethnic, and political warfare. It has been for years on the Christian Proper, and people targets are actually conveniently aligning with a rising concern about demographic winter among the many rich and influential like Elon Musk and autocratic leaders across the globe. Politicians like JD Vance are dialed into each the alternative scare and pronatalist push on the precise. And in lauding these we would name “fertility maxxers” as Individuals worthy of extra affect, Vance is making a strategic enchantment to those that wish to see extra of “us,” and fewer of “them.”
Samuel L. Perry is the Sam Ok. Viersen Presidential Professor of Sociology on the College of Oklahoma. Together with dozens of peer-reviewed journal articles, Dr. Perry is the writer or co-author of 5 books together with the award-winning Taking America Again for God (with Andrew Whitehead) and The Flag and the Cross (with Philip Gorski). His most up-to-date e book is Faith for Realists: Why We All Want the Scientific Examine of Faith.
In late-July 2024, a video resurfaced of Tucker Carlson’s 2021 interview with then-Senate candidate JD Vance by which he complained, “We’re successfully run on this nation…by a bunch of childless cat women who’re depressing at their very own lives and the alternatives that they’ve made and they also wish to make the remainder of the nation depressing too.” On condition that Vance had simply been chosen as Donald Trump’s working mate, the outcry was swift. Democrats instantly turned “childless cat girl” right into a badge of honor, full with T-shirts, hats, and signage, drawing comparisons to Clinton’s “basket of deplorables” remark that mobilized the MAGA base in 2016.
However many might have been too distracted by the misogynistic accusation that childless ladies are depressing to grasp the actual level of Vance’s feedback, and simply as importantly, who would discover them most compelling. Within the 2021 video, Vance went on to elucidate that the Democratic management (citing Harris, Buttigieg, Ocasio-Cortez) had by no means had organic youngsters, and due to this fact, “How does it make any sense that we’ve turned our nation over to individuals who don’t actually have a direct stake in it?” Vance’s actual level wasn’t that childless ladies are bitter, however that having youngsters makes you extra invested within the nation, and thus, extra politically deserving. This was made clear in one other resurfaced video of Vance proposing that oldsters ought to have extra votes as a result of their dedication to the nation’s future is bigger.
These feedback suggest a connection between childbearing and nationalism. Those that produce youngsters are really dedicated to the nation, and thus, nationwide energy and privilege rightfully belong to them. Autocratic leaders all over the world like Vladimir Putin and Victor Orban have made related claims, promising giant monetary rewards for households who make extra native-born Russians and Hungarians.
To make sure, Vance’s group-centered pronatalism has not too long ago drawn applause from the rising variety of secular, mega-wealthy pronatalists like Elon Musk, Marc Andreesen, and different tech bros who’ve insisted that we should reverse declining start charges to avoid wasting civilization. However this concept of getting infants on your nation, your tribe, your folks has appealed to the Christian Proper for many years. And in reality, Individuals who reveal a dedication to the Christian Proper’s underlying ideology—Christian nationalism—are the most probably to endorse the nationalistic pronatalism promoted by JD Vance, Putin, and Orban. They’re additionally the most probably to endorse the racial pronatalism we see amongst White nationalists.
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After I say “Christian nationalism,” I imply an ideology that idealizes and advocates a fusion of American civic life with a really specific type of Christianity. That “specific sort” of Christianity is just not the sort by which penitent sinners ask Jesus into their hearts or believers search to emulate Jesus’ compassion for the sick and poor. That individual sort is ethno-cultural. Traditionally this was Anglo Protestant however now encompasses White conservative Protestants and Catholics (like JD Vance). You may consider Christian nationalism as an ideology that 1) idealizes a mythology by which White Christianity laid the foundations of our nationwide id and prosperity, and a couple of) advances a imaginative and prescient of American civic life that institutionalizes the supremacy of White Christianity, and in the end, White Christians. This ideology is older than the nation itself, however its depth ebbs and flows all through our historical past in response to numerous inside threats to the supremacy of White Christian tradition and other people.
Latest experimental proof reveals that concern of shedding the battle for non secular supremacy drives Christian nationalism for a lot of Individuals. Two latest groups of social scientists discovered that after they randomly instructed teams of Christians that their inhabitants was in decline and that they might change into the numerical minority in the US throughout the subsequent few years, Christians in each research responded with extra Christian nationalism, and in a single examine, extra Trump help. At its basis, Christian nationalism represents a circling of the cultural wagons. It’s most interesting to Individuals who really feel compelled to re-emphasize to themselves and others who made this nation nice (us), who’re its rightful rulers (us once more), and who threaten its prosperity and safety (them).
However the threats will not be merely non secular; they’re ethno-cultural and political. As Harvard psychologist Gordon Allport noticed again within the Nineteen Fifties, “faith…often stands for greater than religion.” The sects of Christianity, he argued, “have change into tied into subcultural and nationwide teams in order that non secular divisions march hand in hand with ethnic and nationwide divisions.” Christian dominion, in different phrases, is tied into ethno-cultural and political dominion, and threats to 1 are threats to the opposite.
Let me present you what I imply. In a 2022 survey fielded by the Public Faith Analysis Institute (PRRI), roughly 6,000 Individuals have been requested how a lot they agreed with the assertion, “Immigrants are invading our nation and changing our cultural and ethnic background,” which is a wonderful instance of what we name “alternative principle.” PRRI additionally requested Individuals a lot of questions on Christian nationalism.
Determine 1 reveals outcomes from a statistical mannequin that permits me to plot Individuals’ settlement with the assertion, “The US authorities ought to declare America a Christian nation,” by how a lot they agree with the alternative principle (controlling for different political, non secular, and demographic traits). Clearly, the extra Individuals consider their cultural and ethnic heritage are being changed by immigrants, the extra seemingly they’re to help Christian nationalism. That is seemingly for a similar causes the opposite experiments have proven, specifically, those that consider the nation is being stolen should double-down to reassert the nation’s correct id.
However how do Individuals who subscribe to Christian nationalism search to answer their looming alternative by a extra secular and ethnically numerous demographic?
One avenue has been expelling foreigners. A number of research have proven Christian nationalism to be powerfully associated to help for proscribing immigration, constructing border partitions, and instituting Muslim bans.
One other avenue has been voter suppression, which makes an attempt to neutralize the specter of minority or secular affect in politics by making it tougher for folks of shade and younger Individuals to vote. And Christian nationalism is a sturdy predictor that such Individuals help making voting tougher, disenfranchising felons for all times, and even mandating civics assessments to vote.
However one tactic that was previously regarded as a fringe strategy was outbreeding the enemy. To make sure, among the many most militantly evangelical Individuals, pronatalism has lengthy been a method for filling the world with troopers for the reason for Christian dominion. The Duggars from the hit TV present 19 Children and Counting have been a part of a broader patriarchal Christian motion relationship again to the Sixties. However the enchantment of group-centered pronatalism—having youngsters not simply since you discover it personally fulfilling, however as a result of it strategically advantages your faith (in addition to your race, your political motion, your nation) is changing into a extra frequent speaking level among the many Christian Proper and a few influential fellow-travelers. And because it seems, Christian nationalism is the engine driving this childbearing motive for a lot of.
In an earlier examine of over 1,000 Individuals, my co-authors and I demonstrated that Christian nationalism was among the many strongest predictors that Individuals broadly help nationwide pronatalism. The extra Individuals agreed with Christian nationalist statements, the extra seemingly they have been to affirm statements like “Our declining fertility charge ought to alarm us as a nation,” and “Married {couples} in our nation ought to have extra infants, not fewer.” In truth, the one ideological issue we discovered extra strongly related to nationwide pronatalism was a dedication to patriarchal gender roles. This makes excellent sense, as a result of a nation organized round increased start charges is a nation by which ladies could have extra infants earlier, requiring them to restrict their academic and profession aspirations, and in the end, their monetary autonomy aside from males. Not surprisingly, analysis reveals Christian nationalist ideology and patriarchal attitudes go hand in hand.
And there’s proof to recommend Christian nationalism shapes Individuals’ private views about fertility, not simply nationwide fertility within the summary. Utilizing a consultant pattern of roughly 1,500 Individuals from the 2021 Basic Social Survey, Determine 2 presents outcomes from a statistical mannequin by which I plot the variety of youngsters Individuals assume is right for a household to have by how a lot they subscribe to Christian nationalist views (just like the nation’s success is a part of God’s plan, the federal government ought to advocate Christian values, and society could be higher with extra non secular affect). Even after controlling for somebody’s non secular, political, and demographic traits, the extra Individuals subscribe to Christian nationalism, the larger their ultimate variety of youngsters. On the extremes, those that fully reject Christian nationalism reported round 2.2 as their common ultimate variety of youngsters, whereas those that strongly affirm Christian nationalism indicated almost 2.7 on common—roughly half a toddler larger. (If that doesn’t sound like quite a bit, take into account that fertility norms are sometimes handed down from technology to technology, and thus, modest fertility differentials rapidly result in enormous inhabitants variations attributable to exponential progress.)
However I wished to go a step additional than this and check how a lot Christian nationalism would possibly undergird particular group-oriented causes past the concept extra infants could be higher than fewer. So, in a March 2023 survey, psychologist Joshua Grubbs and I requested almost 1,500 Individuals, “Which of the next are good causes to have youngsters?” The explanations included: 1) Since you wish to assist reverse our nation’s declining fertility; 2) Since you wish to perpetuate your non secular heritage; 2) Since you wish to perpetuate your ethnic or racial heritage; and 4) Since you wish to safe affect for many who share your political beliefs. Respondents might reply from 1 = Very dangerous cause to five = Excellent cause. What we discovered is that Christian nationalist ideology is the strongest issue predicting help for all 4 causes to have children.
In Determine 3, I’ve plotted the relative influences of a number of key ideological variables I examined in predicting these varied causes to have youngsters. Christian nationalism is measured with six questions by which Individuals have been requested about their settlement with frequent Christian nationalist concepts: America has a particular place in God’s plan, the federal government ought to declare the U.S. a Christian nation, the Bible must be the inspiration of our authorized system, the founding paperwork have been divinely impressed, Christians have a duty to take dominion over nationwide establishments, and being a Christian is a vital side of being really American.
As you may see, adhering to Christian nationalist ideology is a extra vital predictor of help for every cause to have extra youngsters than whether or not Individuals already assume having youngsters is personally fulfilling, whether or not they’re “social traditionalists” (they oppose abortion and same-sex marriage), whether or not they’re personally non secular, whether or not they’re extra ideologically conservative, and whether or not they’re extra partisan Republicans.
One vital reality to remember is that in none of those research reveals a distinction by gender. Whether or not Individuals are males or ladies, Christian nationalism corresponds to nationwide pronatalism, increased private fertility beliefs, and supporting group-oriented causes to have extra youngsters. It’s additionally vital to keep in mind that the questions we use to measure Christian nationalism say nothing about youngsters or race. But, the extra Individuals affirm these summary Christian nationalist views, the extra they help the concept of perpetuating their very own racial heritage by means of childbearing, along with having infants to perpetuate their non secular heritage and safe political energy for his or her group.
What’s the connection?
In the end, Christian nationalist ideology displays an understanding that our nation has and may at all times belong to “Christians,” however what that actually comes right down to is “folks like us.” And as I defined earlier, the “folks like us” isn’t nearly faith, however politics and ethno-culture. So, the extra the nation is populated with “folks like us” the higher. That features native-born Individuals like us, Christians like us, members of our ethnic or racial group, and individuals who share our politics.
What this implies is when GOP politicians communicate the language of nationalist pronatalism—or any form of group-based pronatalism, for one’s faith, race, or political celebration—they’re talking the language of the Christian Proper. And this group-based pronatalist enchantment dovetails completely with different emphases within the up to date Republican platform that additionally strongly align with Christian nationalist priorities comparable to opposing abortion (extra American infants) and proscribing immigration (fewer overseas infants).
Is having extra youngsters a nasty factor? In fact not. Neither is having giant households. And there are, in truth, authentic financial and political causes to fret about declining start charges given their influence on the social welfare system, workforce, and authorities budgets. Furthermore, as sociologist Lyman Stone has identified, to the extent we see a rising discrepancy between what number of youngsters ladies need to have and what number of they find yourself having, we must always take into account what coverage adjustments would possibly enable extra ladies to succeed in their acknowledged fertility targets (e.g., paid maternity and paternity go away, subsidies for childcare and different parenting wants, tax credit, and so forth.)
But the underlying ideology driving a lot of the trendy pronatalist push on the precise is just not primarily the enjoyment of getting extra youngsters (see Determine 3 above). It’s infants as ammunition in a cultural, ethnic, and political warfare. It has been for years on the Christian Proper, and people targets are actually conveniently aligning with a rising concern about demographic winter among the many rich and influential like Elon Musk and autocratic leaders across the globe. Politicians like JD Vance are dialed into each the alternative scare and pronatalist push on the precise. And in lauding these we would name “fertility maxxers” as Individuals worthy of extra affect, Vance is making a strategic enchantment to those that wish to see extra of “us,” and fewer of “them.”
Samuel L. Perry is the Sam Ok. Viersen Presidential Professor of Sociology on the College of Oklahoma. Together with dozens of peer-reviewed journal articles, Dr. Perry is the writer or co-author of 5 books together with the award-winning Taking America Again for God (with Andrew Whitehead) and The Flag and the Cross (with Philip Gorski). His most up-to-date e book is Faith for Realists: Why We All Want the Scientific Examine of Faith.